Agreed.
How no one caught this during the beta stages is, hmm let me think of a polite word so my post is not flagged, ‘intriguing’ …
I recently had a synchronization issue. Omni gave me an overview of the processs. What you don’t see, for good reason, is a level of sophistication I never imagined. Keep the updates coming - my feature set is fine. Small itterations on UI, but industrial level infrastructure is all I want.
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I totally agree with you, Luke.
Folding / Collapsible action groups on iPhone is my major reason for not using Omnifocus 3 on iOS. It is a major letdown for me, something which really obstructs my workflow.
Projects names are not full title either. Yes, through Projects perspectives, they are, but in all other perspectives - a custom perspective with projects view - we got something along these lines “Develop a new app… for team … x in Ja…” instead “Develop a new app for team x in January”. It shows not the full title of the project like it was in Omnifocus 2. Now we got those three “…” that obstructs many crucial informations regarding long title projects. Another letdown for me.
Omnifocus 3 for MacOS is fabulous. On iOS? Not so, at least for me.
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Pardon my frankness, but your original post is very naive. You seem to conflate the concept of “meaningful updates” with that of “new features”.
I am not sure if you are well versed in software development (although, judging by your comments, I am inclined to believe this is not the case), but bug fixes are meaningful updates. It could be argued that they are even more important than new features (do you want an app that does everything buggily or do you prefer an app that is perhaps missing one feature you would like to have, but where everything else works without a hitch?)
when will development for the iOS app start up again.
I don’t think it has ever stopped. Just because you are not getting the feature you’d love doesn’t mean the app is not being worked on. Perhaps the latest updates didn’t change anything for you, but I would bet they made other customers happy. Not everything revolves around your specific workflow.
Having said this, I do empathize with your feelings: I was personally expecting something more from OF3 (especially for Mac, which is the platform I use the most), perhaps mostly from a UI perspective, so seeing effort being moved to a brand new project right away left a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth too. I do see why Omni would want to do that though, I am just not sure this was the perfect timing to embark on such a project.
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Yesterday I used OF on my iPad with action groups. Guess what? For each new task I had to scroll way up (!) all of the tasks to find its action group.
You know what I did? I shut down OF on my iPad and grabbed my Mac while is was in bed. No comfort for me. I cannot understand how this couldnt be addressed in so many years. In the OF podcasts they said that they wanna make the iPad OF just like the Mac OF. Seems like they couldnt do it.
Also: Why so many posts have been hidden? What is going on in this forum? Isnt critics allowed anymore? Very sad!
Guys: We all love OF, but we still criticize. That is no paradox. Thanks!
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Dear KontiKonsumi,
Very accurate description of the issue that I was talking about. It is exactly what is happening to me on my iPhone.
Constructive criticism is relevant for improving the app even more.
Best Regards
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One of the hardest part of being a software company is to know when to say no to feature requests. If you struggle to keep up with making sure your current offering is top notch, you don’t start yet another huge project.
It seems that OmniFocus folks have severely overextended and underestimated how much work they’d have to do.
I would hate to end up in a situation where instead of having a great mac app, we’d have a mediocre mac app, poor iOS version and a half-assed web service, just for the sake of ticking all the checkboxes.
Of course, someone, somewhere reading this is thinking “fanboy” even if they don’t say it aloud - but that doesn’t affect the point. Stop being so entitled.
In case you were wondering, this is exactly what I thought. Stop treating large companies as if they were poor, vulnerable people. OmniGroup is selling a premium piece software. We pay for the premium software. It’s not an apple store app for $0.99. The upside for them is that they get paid much more, the downside is that the users have certain expectation vis a vis the quality of the software.
The feature was there in previous version - the complaint is that it’s now gone and so something that was there has been taken away and there’s no defined commitment to return it.
My objection was to the tone of some of the requests. I think it’s perfectly possible to be insistent, passionate even, about one’s need for a feature without disparaging the developers, as some earlier posts have done.
That may be true and it’s a fair point to make - and it’s (IMO) a good example of how to be critical without being offensive.
I think Omni (as any supplier) should be held accountable for issues with their products and services. I don’t think that gives licence to be offensive. Others disagree.
Ah, I can see how that would be a bit more frustrating.
Sorry for the confusion, but this is incorrect. The iOS app has never had this feature. It’s something we’re open to adding in the future.
In general, our development process tries to ensure that the items that get the highest priority are the ones which the largest numbers of customers have expressed an interest in. This request isn’t at the top of that list yet.
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The reason that the request isn’t at the top of that list might be that we didn’t think it was necessary to express interest in something Ken Case already have told us that you will implement (Collapsible action group on iOS). In our opinion, we have had this feature – or at least a similar feature – on the Iphone. It is the Ipad that hasn’t had the feature. So this is hopefully just a misunderstanding. I’m looking forward to see the feature return in a new shape during this year, and then also come to the Ipad.
My mistake - I thought this was something people had complained about being removed. Thanks for the correction
iOS did used to have groups which were collapsed. It’s been mentioned in another thread I made. You guys then unified it with the iPad version so that both were expanded.
The point is that being cross platform software, the functionality and expected behaviour should be the same across them all, including iPad, iPhone and mac. It currently is not. So when creating action groups on the Mac, they are collapsible. On iOS they are not. Which leads to having to think of work arounds and other methods of trying to make this work across platforms. You shouldn’t have to do this. It gives the user more work to do. The point of this software is surely that you should not have to think of work arounds, or do more work to make it function correctly.
(And if people want to continuously flag my posts, accuse me of offensive language etc, then I am at a loss regarding the ability to express a perfectly valid, reasonable, ‘unentitled’, civil and polite point. I am taken aback by the number of people who have criticised in a derogatory manner, such a straight forward and fair critique. Really bizarre.)
As I explained in another thread, the iPhone app has always had collapsed groups, while the iPad app has always had expanded groups. Neither platform has had expandable groups, but again, as I’ve already explained, that’s something we’ve always wanted to add and are looking forward to implementing:
