How can the data density be improved? [OmniFocus 2.3 added custom columns layout]

Personally I only use the iPhone version for quick capture and very occasionally checking items in a location based context. I use the iPad for my weekly coffee-shop review, but 90% of the ‘real’ work is on the Mac.

Add my vote for a compact list. There is way too much white space.

I also miss the option to include project, context and dates on the same line as the title.

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I’m loving the OF lifestyle, but respectfully, layout of v2 is unuseable for me as is.

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I agreed, at first the data density seems to be an issue. I did try ‘todoist’ last week and the same issue kept me with my beloved Omnifocus. However, do remember Omnifocus is about ‘focus’ and the use of perspectives is very important to give focus. We really should be working with pages and pages of tasks at a time, if so, a relook at perspectives and available actions is needed. That said, I’m still not 100% sold on losing the columns layout for project / contexts. Will keep giving it a go though.

I like in the new layout that you can get a narrower window without having to fiddle with switching off different columns.

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With all the discussion here of the need for more ‘density’, I thought it might be useful for users to share examples of how they are currently using OF1. I wanted to illustrate how much info I need in my OF window for it to be useful to me. Omni Group folks - Please don’t take away my ability to do this!!!

Upload yours too!

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Fantastic idea. As seen, I rely on quite a lot on nested tasks – sometimes up to four layers. Data density definitely is of crucial important in my workflow.

And… uh, never mind about all the red.

Agreed. But even if I have notes, I don’t want such a strong visual distractor there. My initial impression is that the visual hierarchy is a little confusing. Font sizes, weights, and colors don’t offer enough distinction for me. This is part of the “data density” issue we are seeing.

What if we were able to hide the notes / deferred row? I rarely need it when I’m just getting stuff done.

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Its going back to the old ‘which columns do I show’ - do you need a context column when in context view?

If you are viewing tasks, especially from a perspective, then why do you need to display the info that makes up that perspectives criteria? (generalising, I know, but the basic idea is right)

Yep, low density (and btw. default fonts) makes it close to unusable for me. What works on a small and narrow screen (iPhone) is unacceptable for me on 22". It’s not only density but the organization of elements. Let me show that on the screenshot, how I’d like to interact with it, and in comparison how I have to do it now.

The most important for me is going through tasks one by one and have them visually in “one line”. For example in the current design I spend unnecessary time in each task to skip its project or context, which I don’t need to read in 90% of cases. And also completion circle is far too far from the task itself when the window is wider than the narrowest possible. Don’t to mention full-screen.

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I’ve had a look and I’d like to disagree. In my opinion, there isn’t really an issue with the ‘+ Note + Context’ as it’s a placeholder for actual notes and contexts. If you add in a context then it’ll be there.

It’s just the gap between the text of the task and the placeholder (and ‘defer date + due date’) that should decrease, in a higher data dense option.


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I understand where you’re coming from. The checkboxes in the current OmniFocus (1) is on the left, as was the old pre-Mavericks/2013 build.

I presume that they’ve moved it to the right purely to follow how OmniFocus 2 on iOS works (on the right, as most people use the iPhone with their right hand, in which case the thumb is best suited to tap on the right (while not obscuring the text of the task).).

I have to say that for a desktop app though, it definitely is quite strange, as most other productivity apps (as does OmniFocus (1)) have the checkboxes on the left.

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Abackstrom’s post is also quite interesting as well.

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So here’s an example of my OF1/OF2 data density…

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Just so much wasted space in the second image. I know all those tasks are in my office. I really don’t need 50% of my screen space thrown away on extraneous information. That’s no clarity to me, that’s making it much harder for me to see the information. the unnecessary gaps are making a disjointed view scanning down the page.

Don’t get me wrong, overall I like the new look. Personally I’d still prefer a floating inspector, but I realise that’s not likely to happen.

In normal use I wouldn’t have the windows that large, they’d only be about half that height as on my desktop I rarely have OF maximised. I do run FS on my laptop for reviewing occasionally, but in this current form I’m torn as this wasted space is really grating.

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Definitely feeling this pain too. Seems like at a bare minimum, a way to toggle the notes/context visibility on and off would be a help.

But I also think moving that information back alongside the tasks, to avoid the “sea of whitespace” could be great. None of this is a deal-breaker, I’m sure Omni will find some elegant solution.

I moved 3 posts to an existing topic: Checkbox on the right feels too disconnected

Totally agree! I chose OF1 as it is the only to do app that allows me to manage long and complex projects. Current data density of OF2 would not allow me to do it anymore.
Love all the other features introduced in v2, but data density for me is a must

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@Philster, rather than making a plus-one post, please use the “like” button on a post you want to lend support to. Discourse uses that information to ensure that the threads/posts that matter most to the community get the most attention. Plus one posts don’t have the same effect. Thanks!

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I agree that data density is by far the biggest problem with the current design (which is beautiful). Building on what others have said about the second line (notes, context/project, defer/due), I find that it not only wastes space but also makes the lists much less readable. Instead of just being able to skim the text on the left to see my action titles, that text is interspersed with other text (context/project) of a completely different sort. It makes it very hard to skim — I have to try to filter out the contexts/projects as I try to focus on the important content.

I would love to have a “high-density option” with only a single line of text. I would also love the ability to go further and hide the context/project title entirely from the tasks view. I find contexts primarily useful for filtering, but once I am looking at a filtered list of tasks in a perspective, I don’t need to see the context for each task. Being able to turn off the context/project indicator would make the lists more readable and allow a single-line, high-density view without being overly cluttered.

It also might work well as a per-perspective option, so that, for example, I could set my “Phone calls” perspective to not display the context for each task since they all, by definition, have the context “Phone.”

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I would like to add that this is the major problem with the current design.

Please add 2 things to make this application usable again:

  1. The ability to turn off the note/context/due date line
  2. A “compactness” data density preference

I know UI designers like to impose their view of how their app should look on people. One of the great things about OF has always been its flexibility in perspectives, etc.

All of this becomes meaningless if I have so much white space on the screen, and a bunch of distracting info (context, etc) on the screen at all times.

There are many long-time users here unhappy about the lack of choice here. While impossible on the iOS version, it is quite simple to add these options to the desktop. Please listen to your users on this one Ken.

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Continuing the discussion from Overall, how are you liking OmniFocus 2 relative to OmniFocus 1?:

Fantastic post by UOF in the main ‘how are you liking OF2’ thread. Thought I’d attach it here just for reference, as his post is excellently written and spells out his thoughts on why he wants more data density in OF2.

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